Been There Got Out Podcast
Been There Got Out Podcast
Kevin Hoffkins: Writing a Parenting Plan an Ex Can't Exploit
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Somewhere in the plan sits a holiday clause that reads "as the parties agree." A year later they agree on nothing, and two lawyers are billing to argue over a single word. Kevin L. Hoffkins has watched that happen for decades, and his fix is unglamorous: write it down, and write it specifically.
Kevin L. Hoffkins is a divorce and family law attorney based in Westport, Connecticut, where he has practiced for around 35 years, much of it in high-conflict custody and parenting-time disputes. He litigates the cases where two parents cannot be in the same room without a fight, and he argues that a lot of what sends them back to court traces to a plan built from a standard template with vague language left in.
Kevin and Lisa talk through how to close those gaps. A notice requirement that actually costs the other parent something when they cancel at the last minute. The difference between a fee clause a judge can decline to enforce and one written as "shall." Why a single late pickup usually is not worth a motion, and why a tamper-resistant parenting app matters once you are building a record. When persistent written disparagement can support a request for supervised time. And why an agreement the two of you negotiate tends to be far more specific than anything a judge will order from the bench.
They also cover religion in a parenting plan and the compromise Kevin reached in a Jehovah's Witness case, the family traditions worth naming that no judge would know to protect, and why he settles the parenting plan before the financial pieces when he takes on a divorce.
As always, this is strategic education, not legal or mental-health advice for your specific situation.
π What you'll learn
- Why vague words like "reasonable" get weaponized, and the specific language to use instead
- How to write real consequences into a plan: notice requirements and cost coverage when a parent no-shows
- "Shall" vs "may," and "actual" vs "reasonable" attorney's fees, and why the wording changes everything
- Why one missed exchange rarely justifies court, and how to build a documented pattern first
- Spelling out holidays, school breaks, birthdays, and traditions down to the day and hour
- Why you or your attorney should draft the first version of the plan, not the other side
- Handling religion, non-disparagement, and monitoring for written disparagement
- Why an agreement you negotiate usually beats a judge's order for specificity
β±οΈ Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:00 Why vague "gray language" sends parents back to court
3:00 What to tell your attorney about the other parent
5:00 Notice rules and cost consequences when a parent no-shows
7:00 One incident vs a pattern, documenting, and going back to court
11:00 Fee clauses: "shall" vs "may," "actual" vs "reasonable"
15:00 Religion, the Jehovah's Witness case, and non-disparagement
19:00 Written disparagement, monitoring, and therapy for the rejected parent
23:00 Spelling out pickups, holidays, and school breaks
29:00 Agreement vs court order, mediators, and who drafts first
33:00 Child-centered divorce and doing the parenting plan first
Keep going π
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π Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane Circumstances β https://www.amazon.com/dp/194627495X
π Been There Got Out: When Your Ex Turns the Kids Against You (our parental-alienation book) β https://www.amazon.com/dp/1967674183
π Kevin L. Hoffkins at The Law Offices of Kevin L. Hoffkins: https://www.hoffkinslaw.com/
π Kevin L. Hoffkins bio: https://www.hoffkinslaw.com/about/
About Been There Got Out
Chris Barry and Lisa Johnson are high-conflict divorce, custody, and co-parenting strategists, and the founders of Been There Got Out. They know these cases from the inside: both have successfully represented themselves in family court. Few attorneys have a playbook for a case like this β Chris and Lisa write yours with you, so you and your kids can get through it as unscathed as possible.